"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
10/09/2015 at 21:17 • Filed to: Salary
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"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
10/09/2015 at 21:17 • Filed to: Salary | 3
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I’m one of many idiots that took on a salary job and quickly realized I lost a great thing in giving up overtime and time-and-a-half pay. Now I will say salary is awesome as long as you do not work over your 40 hours. But I can’t believe the amount of people that like to mention how they work all the time. Essentially boasting that they are willing to work for free? Shut the front door with that noise!
Commonly I hear people mention how they work 50 or even 60 hour weeks once a month or even every week. That’s absurd! If you want to show you are a go-getter that can handle more responsibility and a heavier work load, then do an outstanding job within 40 hours. If you asked someone to do their job and it took them an hour a day longer than the next guy doing the same job, then I would think the other guy is the better worker. But if I were a business owner, I would definitely take advantage of the person putting in extra time and this is why:
Say someone is paid to work a minimum of 40 hours a week without overtime. That person averages about 50 hours a week across the entire month. That means every month this guy is putting in an extra 40 hours of unpaid labor. Considering that there are 52 weeks in a year then this person is stuffing in 3 months of free labor in addition to their regular 12 months of work. No wonder they’re exhausted!
Now I know some of you are thinking that most of that time is spent farting around to fill up your day, so you’re not actually “working” 8 hours. Nope, because that means there isn’t 40 hours of work anyways, you’re basically being paid to be on call. This also means that if the job only takes 6 hours a day to do, then you are working 2 extra hours. Say you get paid $40,000 a year for 40 hours a week. Well that’s $19.23 an hour, but if it were $40,000 a year for 30 hours a week, you’d be getting paid $25.64 an hour (the equivalent of $53,333.33 a year at 40 hours weekly).
Let’s continue with saying you make $40,000 a year for 40 hours weekly. If you average 42.5 hours a week (30 minutes extra a day), you just changed your pay to almost $18.09 an hour from $19.23. Average 50 hours a week and you’re basically making $15.38 an hour (the equivalent of $31,990.40 a year for 40 hours a week).
Now I know salary gets you 10 holidays and 3 weeks of paid days off. My issue is if you work 42 hours a week, then 80 hours of holidays is covered by the 96 hours of unpaid work you do annually. Add in the 120 hours of vacation (so a total of 200 hours of paid time off annually) and you’ll find that averaging 44 hours a week across the year means you still didn’t get compensation for the extra time spent.
All I’m saying is I don’t care how much you make, if you’re salary then you need to be fair to yourself. Put that work ethic into turning your 40+ hours of work into 30 hours, that way you can veg out for the remaining 10 hours! And if you’re paid hourly, work as much as you can!!!
Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 21:22 |
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I just got a new job that pays salary, and I am quickly learning that people there just finish the job and then fuck around for a while until quitting time.
Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 21:23 |
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I work about 10-15 hours a week (get paid nicely by the hour) and my bosses want to put me on salary..is that odd?
On another note...who brags about how many hours they work?
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Wobbles the Mind
> Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
10/09/2015 at 21:26 |
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A lot of people. The hourly equivalent is making sure people know how many days you have worked in a row. You are still putting in the same amount of time a week. Either you are making bank on overtime or you are doing laundry more often.
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Wobbles the Mind
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
10/09/2015 at 21:27 |
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That’s exactly what you’re supposed do! But you have to do the work first. Too many people do the fuck around before the work is finished or even started. Those people are the assholes ruining it for the rest of us.
MM54
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 21:31 |
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I make a salary and 50 hours a week isn’t uncommon. It fucking sucks, but my options are work enough hours that I make as much hourly as the interns or get canned.
PS9
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 21:33 |
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...and some people(who are paid to manage the store) do the literal fucking around underneath your nose in the office of your work area that is usually closed, and you don’t hear about it until after they get fired and the security cam footage gets leaked.
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Wobbles the Mind
> MM54
10/09/2015 at 21:33 |
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Everyday gets you closer to retirement. Worth it!
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MM54
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 21:35 |
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Hopefully in another 40 years I’ll be the one telling people “this needs done today, even though there’s 4 of you and it’s 50 hours worth of work” not the one being told that
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MM54
> MM54
10/09/2015 at 21:38 |
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Or better yet, already be retired
samssun
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 21:59 |
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Someone inefficient enough to stretch 40 hours of work into a 50 hour week isn’t likely to be promoted to begin with, and if he is he’ll end up going back to hourly. The rest of folks do it because that’s just how much work there is.
It’s pretty standard to take a short term pay hit from giving up the OT, but the tradeoff is putting yourself on the path to make more long term. Go one notch above that first salary level and figure out how much OT you’d need to equal that, then add in things like higher bonus targets and stock.
mazda616
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 22:00 |
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My old job’s V.P. works 60-70 hour weeks. She’s there 7 days a week until late at night each time. She has no life. In her mid-40s, no kids, never been married, lives alone in a tiny house, not even any pets. Because all she does is work. She’s there from 8 in the morning until 9 or 10 at night. And bright and early Saturday AND Sunday. Who the hell wants a life like that? That’s not much of a life at all.
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Wobbles the Mind
> mazda616
10/09/2015 at 22:02 |
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Damn straight! I for one believe in the work hard, drive harder lifestyle.
SVTyler
> Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
10/09/2015 at 22:04 |
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An disturbingly large of people, it’s like a contest in some offices because it shows how much dedicated and hard-working you are and how you’re a company man willing to put in the long hours to ensure the company -
*shoots self to end horrific corporate bullshit*
Rico
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 22:23 |
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I’m one of the lucky ones I get paid salary but I am not Overtime Exempt, the Executive Directors and A/VPs. Good benefits 15 vacation days 15 sick days, 5% salary match for 403b. But your idea to work as hard as you can for 30-35 hours and rock out on Oppo the rest is exactly what I do.
Yes overtime can be great but only when necessary rather then something I try to stretch my work out for. If there’s an overtime opportunity available or asked of me I am usually for it.
That said my time is also valuable to me and I get taxed out the ass for being a single, male, in his 20’s with no dependents. If I earn $1,000 in OT the Govt takes $400. Doing the math that’s a lot of hours that I basically am not getting paid for.
wantafuncar
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 22:53 |
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Work to live v. live to work.
I like a healthy balance, though in my line of work there are folks who work 80+ a week, every week, until retirement, so I feel pretty good about a 50hr week.
smobgirl
> Wobbles the Mind
10/09/2015 at 23:05 |
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I’m salaried, but what sucks up my life is work travel. I can spend 16-21 hours in a single day doing what amounts to ~2 hours of work. Two trips in a week and I’m mentally fried but still have to squeeze in 25+ hours of office work, plus a few hours at my second job (3-18, depending). So inefficient but not much I can do about it.
StationeryBikes
> samssun
10/10/2015 at 00:14 |
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I’ve been on both sides of the coin, and the fact of the matter is that there is no way to work 40 hours in one week on salary. Once you do, you will be expected to “squeeze” 50 hours into a week. Once you master that, you will be expected to get more and more of every 40 hour week until either:
1. You accept that you cannot do anything except work at your primary job (meaning no personal life or opportunity for secondary income).
2. You reach your breaking point and resign, at which point your employer hires a naive, eager employee that ends up realizing the same thing you do in a couple of years.
I currently work at an hourly union-protected job, and make more money that I ever have before. The whole concept of “exempt” vs. “non-exempt” is an absolute joke. Companies will use any possible excuse they can to classify someone as “non-classified” or “exempt”, no matter whether they are an actual supervisor or not; it’s all in the interest of saving a buck.
The “40 hour week” exists in name only. It has nothing to do with how much you are expected to work; it is only indicitave of what you’ll be paid.
wafflesnfalafel
> Wobbles the Mind
10/10/2015 at 00:23 |
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after several years of big hours and no recognition I’m down to an even 50 and calling it good...
jpomonkey
> Wobbles the Mind
10/10/2015 at 07:02 |
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http://www.businessinsider.com/what-new-overt…
Thanks, Obama.
BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
> Wobbles the Mind
10/10/2015 at 10:56 |
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I am just going to leave this here.
Not everyone who works 50 hours a week is doing 40 hours worth of work in that time.
Some of us cram 55 hours worth of work into 50, and can’t cram that down to 40, because the amount of work exists, and the staffing levels to handle it doesn’t exist.
And if all the work doesn’t get done... guess who is responsible? Guess who gets the mountain of built-up back-log after taking only the most absolutely necessary of days off?
Look around at the economy. Everyone is having to do more with less, and that includes sharing workload, as there are fewer, or in some cases (mine, for instance) there is no-one else, and the work keeps increasing, while the pay is budget limited to a 1% increase, well below cost of living increases.
Take your indictments elsewhere, and let me know when your salary hasn’t increased for years, yet your expectations and your bills have.
Much more of this, and not only will I have to work overtime, I may have to get a second job to pay the bills.
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BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
> Wobbles the Mind
10/10/2015 at 11:02 |
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All I want is my Piece of Mind.
Now if you’re feelin’ kinda low ‘bout the dues you’ve been paying
Future’s coming much too slow
And you wanna run but somehow you just keep on stayin’
Can’t decide on which way to go
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I understand about indecision
But I don’t care if I get behind
People livin’ in competition
All I want is to have my peace of mind.
Now you’re climbin’ to the top of the company ladder
Hope it doesn’t take too long
Can’tcha you see there’ll come a day when it won’t matter?
Come a day when you’ll be gone
I understand about indecision
But I don’t care if I get behind
People livin’ in competition
All I want is to have my peace of mind.
Take a look ahead, take a look ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...
[break]
Now everybody’s got advice they just keep on givin’
Doesn’t mean too much to me
Lot’s of people out to make-believe they’re livin’
Can’t decide who they should be.
I understand about indecision
But I don’t care if I get behind
People livin’ in competition
All I want is to have my peace of mind.
Take a look ahead, take a look ahead. Look ahead.